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Fscking Shrub
Ok, so I have the news on in the background while I do a little gweeping from my hotel, and they do a story about the ongoing attacks on US troops in Iraq.

Cut to Shrub at a press conference "bring it on" - he actually goddamn said BRING IT ON. The whole quote was something like "To those who would try to drive us out of Iraq with their attacks - Bring it on. We have the forces necessary to deal with the security issue."

What the fuck is wrong with this guy? No matter how you feel about the war, you do not tell people who are shooting at our fucking troops 'Bring it on'! It is not your motherfucking life on the line, motherfucker. Cut out the macho bullshit rhetoric and think for a minute what your words mean for the troops you sent into harm's way. Fuck.

"Yeah, go ahead, fire your RPGs at our Humvees! We can take it! We're tough! Well, ok, so I'm safe here in the US, but the troops I sent in my place can take it, that's what we pay them for..."

I am: incredulous
Current Media: TV News

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Comments
pfloyd From: pfloyd Date: July 3rd, 2003 06:15 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Oh great... now I get to worry even more about a friend of mine who's over there. As if I wasn't concerned enough about his safety and his form of sanity, now we get his Commander in Chief telling -- no, wait, goading -- the so-called "enemy" into making more attempts to kill our loved ones over there.
Duh-bya is not going to win the next presidential election... not if he keeps on with this and letting the economy continue its downward spiral. If he wants to pick a fight, let him don the desert cammies and pick up a '16 and get his arse over there.
marm0t From: marm0t Date: July 3rd, 2003 07:00 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Ugh. Motherfucker.
z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: July 3rd, 2003 08:03 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
IHNTA.
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z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: July 3rd, 2003 08:49 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Probably. And it strikes me as likely that many of the troops themselves are down with the message, too. Maybe not Joe Infantry Shmoe who just wants to go home (not that our modern armed forces admit they have anyone in them who just wants to go home), but the guys who think they're real badasses - do we have Rangers and whatnot over there right now? - they're probably hyped.
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z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: July 3rd, 2003 11:05 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
sorry, when I say "we" in this context, I generally mean the country I'm currently in. 'course, you didn't have any way of knowing what country that was, but I don't think I'd bother bitching about some other country's president. :)

good point about the infantry. I just finished reading Bill Mauldin's autobiography, too. :)
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z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: July 3rd, 2003 12:24 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
yes. his cartoons were famous (and hugely popular among the infantry) because they portrayed life as a common foot soldier with an accuracy that infuriated generals. (well, some generals. well, OK, George Patton.)
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fallenpegasus From: fallenpegasus Date: July 3rd, 2003 09:40 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
I don't have the link immediately at hand, but the tone of Bush's speech was very strongly influenced by the advice and input of the PsyOps folks.

Our mental model of warfare is perhaps too strongly biased towards imagining rational foes, because by and large, thats what the Germans in fact and later the Russians in potentia were. (Let's just gloss over the Japanese Army, shall we.)

But the reminants of Saddam's army are not rational foes. This is not a racist comment, this is a cultural observation. After all, in Baghdad, one of the most effective tactics for drawing opponents out of hard cover was to use loudspeakers to loudly make fun of the size of their balls.

"Bush is an idiot" may make a good soundbite, but do give some credit to the Pentagon thinktank folks who've been right more than not the last few years on this sort of thing.
From: iwascaite Date: July 3rd, 2003 10:37 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
We should give credit to the Pentagon folks who came up with this idea to goad our enemies and announce it in public? I disagree.

Seems like if they're so bright and have so many good ideas they should hire someone who does something with manipulating regular people, like marketing-when-there's-a-real-product kind of people. I studiously avoid news of any kind and I heard about GWB's comments and I am offended. It therefore follows that everyone has heard this and many of them will be offended also.

I just don't see this as a good idea. Americans support their military because that's "what keeps America free" not because we go out and stir the pot everywhere else for spurious reasons.

I no longer believe that justification which has not been sufficiently explained should be trusted. There have been too many examples of governmental abuse of my trust. What GWB's comment says to me is that this isn't about anything besides grandstanding anymore (if it ever was). It is not right for people to die for his pride. GWB's pride is not the country's pride, unless someone made him emperor while I was not paying attention.

If you still have faith and can believe they know what they're doing, I am happy for you, but I won't take any criticism for hiding my head in the sand and waiting for the nightmare to end.
janscottfrazier From: janscottfrazier Date: July 3rd, 2003 11:44 am (UTC) (Direct Link)

Bring it on indeed...

His speeches are written by experts and aimed at getting US citizens stirred up more than Iraqis. I'm going to be hearing about how "tough" and "kickass" the President is from my low-living non-thinking neighbors for the next while now. The more macho he seems the more the idiots get excited by him. *sigh*
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