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Ugh... it works.
After my last entry I used Yum to update FC2. That took a while, a lot to update. After the reboot - the display didn't work. Run level 5 was unhappy, so I had to drop down to 3 and start mucking around. The old RH8 used XFree86, but FC2 switched to X.org's system. And apparently something in the upgrade didn't like the config. So I got it mostly working, but this is a dual-head box with a Matrox G550. I kept getting both displays the same no matter what I did. So I spent several hours with Google and emacs, playing with xorg.conf. I finally got it to the point where I had a two monitor desktop again - only the screens were swapped! And nothing I did would unswap them. I ended up investigating the driver downloads from Matrox again, and going through the instructions, which didn't help. Then I manually explored the download, ignoring the directions. There I found different versions of the drivers, which I manually copied instead of using their install script. And now I have a properly working dual-head desktop again. I think I must've spent at least 6 hours, probably more, sorting this out. I got into a zone...

I'm very tired, very hungry... and still have to do the testing I was doing the upgrade to allow in the first place.

Still, FC2 is rather nice I think. Makes me want to wipe my old server at home and install it there...

I am: tired tired
Current Media: PWEI: fatman

donnerjack From: donnerjack Date: October 29th, 2004 11:58 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
That's actually pretty weird, I've had really nothing but good experience with X.org so far. From what I've seen of it, at home and at work, the display is...crisper and colors are a little more vivid, and frankly, the config setup seems to kick XFree86's ass as far as being forgiving and guessing decent defaults, etc. But I haven't tried running with a dual head setup, at least, not yet.
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: October 30th, 2004 02:27 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
I do think everything is crisper - and the colors are more vivid. It was a noticable change.

My xorg.conf ended up being pretty similar to my old XFree86-4.
reddragdiva From: reddragdiva Date: October 30th, 2004 06:27 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Mmm. I had XF86-4 on FreeBSD 4 and Xorg 6.7 on FreeBSD 5. Xorg was ridiculously easier to get working - as in, it Just Worked. Detected hardware first try (with three different cards), basically behaved itself.

(Mind you, XF86-4 on Debian Sarge also worked with very few hitches on another box. Even did 24-bit properly, which XF86-3 didn't.)

It also has the distinct advantage of being an active project ...
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zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: October 30th, 2004 06:53 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Yeah, I considered it but for work I figured I was better off using the stable release and not something still in test.

I'm not likely to get around to rebuilding my server at home ASAP, so FC3 may be out by then.
solipsistnation From: solipsistnation Date: October 30th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Yeah, X has ALWAYS been a problem when upgrading linux systems for me. I have 2 video cards, but they're both nvidias, and even upgrading between different versions of Red Hat and different versions of XFree86 has been a pain.

There also appears, in RHEL3 workstation, to be no easy way to specify that you want xinerama turned on by default. I had to go edit a script somewhere to add +xinerama to the X command-line, which is inane. You'd think nobody else ever used multiple monitors...
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: October 30th, 2004 08:54 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
You can't just edit the X configuration and put it in there?
solipsistnation From: solipsistnation Date: October 30th, 2004 12:17 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
It doesn't appear to work the way it's supposed to work...

Anyway, with all the ridiculous piles of auto-config and happy graphical config things they've already made, I don't see why there isn't a check-box for Xinerama somewhere along the way...
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: October 31st, 2004 05:42 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
There is in Fedora Core 2 - they don't call it that, just 'Dual-Head'. So maybe it'll be in the next RHEL, since FC is supposed to be a kind of development lab for RHEL.