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I'm evil...
I had this delicious mental image of boob_nazis and childfree in a no-holds-barred slagfest.

I'm still giggling... evilly.

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randomposting From: randomposting Date: May 24th, 2006 02:06 am (UTC) (Direct Link)

Danger danger.
palegreyminion From: palegreyminion Date: May 24th, 2006 02:09 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
booor-ring. None of them are in the slightest bit witty or amusing, just rabid. I much prefer the art and elegance of old-style Usenet flame war experts.
From: gearhead Date: May 24th, 2006 02:12 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
This can only end in laughter.

Or tears.

Or both.
lizzielizzie From: lizzielizzie Date: May 24th, 2006 04:06 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
The people in childfree are tame compared to those in cf_hardcore. Really, that would be a much better fight.
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Ooh, I knew there was a more intense CF group, I just couldn't remember the name of it. :-)
tahoebean From: tahoebean Date: May 24th, 2006 05:13 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
I'd like to see it on celebrity death match, myself. (and don't think you're the first person to think of this, HAHA - the CF's hate us Moos! *Grin*) :)
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:20 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Oh, I'm sure I'm not the first.

I'm childfree because I'm selfish - I like living my life for myself and can't be bothered to take care of *house plants*, let alone a kid. Hell, I only mow my lawn because I like my neighbor - I suffer for it because it always gives me an allergy attack.

I don't have a strong dislike for kids really. I wish I could skip right to being a grandparent so I could take the kid, spoil them rotten, stuff them full of sugar, and send them home. Fortunately I have a strong "don't give a shit" attitude, so I'll go to children's movies, theme parks, etc, myself without any kids as an 'excuse'. Plus it gives me the extra satisfaction of creeping out paranoid parents who think I'm some kind of sicko there for the kids. I win. I am some kind of sicko, just not THAT kind. ;-)

I can't even be the crazy uncle since I don't have siblings.

I find extremists in any group annoying. You want to breastfeed? Fine, just don't stick it in my face. (Play on words most definitely intended.) You want to be childfree. That's cool, but it doesn't mean everyone who breeds is somehow inferior. (And the people who say seeing children makes them physically ill REALLY need to get a life.) You've got religion? That's great, but I really don't want to hear about Vishnu or Gaia or Jesus or C'thulu, or whomever you worship.

I don't care so much about people's views as I do people trying to push their views on everyone else. I don't go around trying to make everyone buy AMD CPUs and run Linux, despite them being CLEARLY superior to Intel and Windows. ;-) I don't insult people who don't have TiVo, or who have some other DVR. No, of course not. I just pity the poor fools. ;-)

I tend to have more issues with parents than with non-parents, if only because non-parents are generally concerned with just themselves and not a spawn. Too many parents want to Nerf the world to 'protect the children'. Well, children have done OK for quite a while without the world being Nerfed. If you're overly protective your child is just going to be prey for the streetwise kids when it gets out there. And perhaps even at risk for disease because we develop a lot of antibodies from childhood exposure, when our immune systems are at their peak, and if a child is 'protected' from this exposure they enter adult life without defenses against some contagions. The parents that freak out and sterlize everything their kid touches aren't doing them any favors.

Hey, I like booze, drugs, and porn. I'm not going to push them on your kid, but neither should I have to deprive myself just because you can't control your loin dropping. My parents did a good job preparing me to *think*, which allows me to handle the world a lot better than if they'd just shielded me from everything. I like serious, intense TV shows - if you don't want your kid watching them, then don't let them - don't try to get them off the air. YOU are the parent, not the entire world.

People want me to modify my behavior because they have a child, or act like the fact that they managed to get a penis into a vagina and got pregnant means I, and society on the whole, owe them something. I don't. I'm a nice guy. I'll hold doors for anyone, kids or not. I'll help someone just because it is a nice thing to do. But if someone acts like I *owe* them special treatment because they have a kid - oh, I can be an asshole. I enjoy twisting young minds.

to be continued...
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:20 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
So if mommy does something to piss me off, I may decide to use language I normally avoid, just so the sprog can hear it. And I am unabashed about not caring if the parent doesn't like it. I'm a big guy, and I've had out of control kids slam into me at full sprint in stores because they're not watching where they're going. Then the mom gets pissed with me, as if I'm supposed to dive out of the way so little Jimmy can set a new record getting to the toy aisle. Hell no. Little Jimmy is lucky I didn't step on him after he landed on his ass. Maybe running his face into my knee might teach him to watch where he's going. I know I was a bright kid and could learn from my mistakes.

If your kid is screaming in a public place and your just letting them, I WILL give you, and the kid, my most evil glare. Sometimes it scares the kid so bad they shut up. I love when that works. When a 6'6" 400# guy stares you down, and you're five, I suppose it can be intimidating.

On the other hand I'll coo and wave and make faces at cute kids who are smiling and being polite and friendly. I don't even care if some kid wings an occasional french fry my way. Hell, I still wing a fry at people now and then. :-)

It is the whole attitude of entitlement that gets to me the most, about anything. Be it "I'm an American" or "I'm a parent". Well, I'm unimpressed, get in line like everyone else and shut the fuck up, you're not special. If I'm in line at the supermarket with a handful of items and you've got a cartload, do NOT try the "Can I cut in front of you, my kids are waiting in the car" thing. 1. No, I'll be checked out in 2 minutes, you'll be here a while. 2. What the fuck are you doing leaving your kids in the car? What kind of idiot are you? (Yeah, I've had this happen, and seen it other times.)

It certainly isn't just a kid thing. Last year I was flying back from a show on the west coast and my flight got delayed and I was stuck overnight at DFW because we got there after the last connecting flight had left. Eh, shit happens. The airline put us up in a hotel for the night. Fine, all I need is a bed to crash in - hell, a comfortable floor is fine. I'm mellow like that. Well, I had to wait because some dickwad in line in front of me had to go on a long tirade about how he was a FIRST CLASS PASSENGER (first class asshole is more like it) and how he and his party MUST be put up in a FIRST CLASS HOTEL for the night! Nothing else was acceptable! It was around midnight, maybe later, nothing was open, hotels are booked, the flight out was first thing in the morning anyway. WTF? They were putting us in a Best Western, IIRC, not Bob's Roadside Flea Circus & Motor Lodge. Take your ticket and get out of the way of the rest of us. But no, he had to go around and around with the increasingly frustrated woman at the counter, as she repeatedly explained that there was no other option and he could lodge a complaint with the airline, but that he could take it or leave it. Eventually she basically had to just tell him that he could sleep in the terminal or go to the hotel but she was done with him, and stopped dealing with him. I was almost to my breaking point when he finally left, I was ready to just jump in there and tell him to shut up and get the hell out because he wasn't anyone special and the rest of us wanted to get to the hotel and get some sleep. The entitlement thing drives me crazy.

(And I hope you realize none of the 'you' statements in this are deliberately aimed at *you*, just kind of the general 3rd party. :-) )
tahoebean From: tahoebean Date: May 24th, 2006 06:32 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
wow that's a lot to read! I can't stand lazy parents either, and I agree with you on a lot of points. Bad parenting is the fucking bane of society, and I could go on and on and on... :) You've got to give the good parents credit too, though! I don't mind child free by choice, but the moo-haters on LJ.. yikes! You'd think they'd find something better to do with their selfish time (self-described) :)

I don't think as a mother though, that breastfeeding is a choice, you signed up for that when you decided to have a kid - you owe it your absolute best fucking effort - it is your child's birthright ;)

for the record, my kid does not scream in public places, and if she did we'd fucking leave and she wouldn't get shit. End of story. That kind of behavior gets you no-where in this house (haha I sound like MY mom now!) :)
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:42 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
My parents were the same way - bad behavior was NOT ignored, and definitely not rewarded, it was punished. Sometimes even *gasp* with a spanking! I even got a belt across the ass a few times when I was really bad - it certainly got the point across.

I know a lot of parents these days consider spanking akin to child abuse. Personally I'm with Dennis Leary on the subject.

I was out having lunch a few months ago, at a diner near work, and there was a kid in the next booth going absolutely apeshit. Jumping up and down on the booth. Howling. Throwing stuff. And the mother just sat there chatting with her friend, who was sitting across from her, and they both COMPLETELY ignored little Damien. The waitress even made a few comments like "He sure is a handful, isn't he?" with the tone of "Can't you control that brat" - but the mother seemed completely oblivious.

I was kind of amazed by how bad a parent she seemed to be.
tahoebean From: tahoebean Date: May 24th, 2006 07:00 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
well, we don't spank - but our daughter is very well disciplined, and considerate of others ;) I don't think it's ever a good idea to ignore your children - no matter what their behavior. For me, I was the classic nerdy over-achiever, yet nothing I ever did was good enough for my mom. I hope I never have unmeetable expectations for my own children. :)
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I had a similar relationship with my dad. I was a geeky bookworm - he grew up on a farm and started his own heating company, which he just sold this year (but he's still running it). So he's a very physical person, I'm lazy - at least physically. He's the kind of person who just starts doing something and plows through it, I'm the sort to analyze it and find the easiest way to do it before I start.

So he didn't really understand me and to him it just looked like I was unmotivated and lazy, when I was really just efficient. :-) When I got through college and started my career things changed, I think he was kind of shocked when I'd doubled my salary 10 months after graduation after having a company pursue me from across country and pay to move me to CA to work for them. He started to realize I was good at what I do and a success, just not in the same way he was. These day's he keeps telling me I need to work LESS and enjoy life - he regrets working so much for so many years and not taking the time to enjoy things I think. He does have a point, we're alike in that we're both workaholics.
cdaae From: cdaae Date: May 24th, 2006 11:44 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Yeah, I'm very much childfree by choice, but the level of hatred in the CF communities really bothers me. Calling mothers "moos" annoys the hell out of me. There are lots of crap parents in the world, but frankly there are lots of crap people in the world.
tahoebean From: tahoebean Date: May 24th, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
"There are lots of crap parents in the world, but frankly there are lots of crap people in the world.

So true!
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:15 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I find having a generally low opinion of people saves a lot of time and disappointment later. Ahd when you find someone who isn't a complete tool then it is a nice change.

Not that I'm a little bit cynical or anything.
meranthi From: meranthi Date: May 24th, 2006 04:03 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
What the fuck are you doing leaving your kids in the car? What kind of idiot are you?

Er...what??? I don't even like to leave my children in the living room when I'm in the basement. Admittedly, my kids are 2 and 1, and I'm more worried about the damage they could accidentally do to each other, but the point is still the same.

I try very hard to be a good parent. When my kids are frustrated and cranky, I take them home. I do not stay at the party with increasingly whiny children because no one has fun then. *sigh*
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:19 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Yeah - I've even seen kids in cars in shopping plazas. Sometimes it is a little one strapped into a car seat. They're not going to hurt themselves, or anyone else, but kids *die* from being cooked in a parked car. And there is always the abduction risk, albeit a lot smaller than you'd think from movies and all.

But sometimes they're toddlers and I see them zooming around the car, jumping on the seats, pawing at the windows, etc. Even with child locks, they can get out just by going out the front. And, depending on the car, they may be able to shift it out of Park. Though most automatics have a lock now so you have to have the keys in.
z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: May 24th, 2006 05:41 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
(And I hope you realize none of the 'you' statements in this are deliberately aimed at *you*)

It's the royal "you".
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: May 24th, 2006 06:16 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I almost said that but I wasn't sure it'd make sense. ;-)
lady_icedragon From: lady_icedragon Date: May 24th, 2006 10:39 am (UTC) (Direct Link)

I now want them and others to take part in a full-on LJ Tournament (to the death) :D