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zonereyrie
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A breakdown of time spent on web development...


I pretty much agree, only I don't give up and use tables. ;-)

Thanks usagijer!

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rhysara From: rhysara Date: July 13th, 2006 02:38 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
I like it too, only I don't give up and use tables, I start with tables =)~

Suspect that may not be the best image to print out and post in my classroom however.
silentorphan From: silentorphan Date: July 13th, 2006 02:42 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Photoshop it to make it more consumer-friendly?
romperwebby From: romperwebby Date: July 13th, 2006 02:36 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
i go straight to using tables. im lazy like that.

i copied that to the rest of my web dev team. lol.
finstergrrrl From: finstergrrrl Date: July 13th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
SO. TRUE.

since i've got a page for the government, add into that a slice for section 508 compliance...*sigh*
sister_stella From: sister_stella Date: July 23rd, 2006 01:19 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Bugger CSS. I start with tables.
(here via reddragdiva's link)
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 2nd, 2006 10:02 am (UTC) (Direct Link)

IE

again with the anti IE campaign

nevermind it being the mostg used browser in the world, if you struggle to make the site work in IE then your code is wrong in the first place.

W3C and CSS (tabLESS design) is far easier than table design.

I code FOR IE and check again Firefox (a bug ridden, security holed piece of crap - with naff all software support! Its slow to load, memory using piece of junk) - i rarely find problems between IE or Firefox when I code, and I create complex design templates ranging from 3 column (scaleable - yes it can be done!) to vertically centered...you get the point - so dont go harking on about IE being bad because you cant code for it. It obviously your code that is bad, stop blaming the tools.

When it comes to Mac, again, I have no problems with their browsers - maybe the odd bit here and there - but nothing drastic, code well and the system works - code badly and you only have yourself to blame.

zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: August 2nd, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)

Re: IE

IE is the worst thing to ever happen to the web. It is FAR more bugs than Firefox, Opera, or Safari. Even Microsoft has said so - REPEATEDLY. Bill Gates himself has publically apologized for the crappy state of IE6, while promising that they would not make the same mistake with IE7. (We'll see.)

IE6 doesn't support most modern web standards. Worse it has incorrect handling of several, which means you can't even use them without bad behavior from IE. At least when it just ignores things you can design things that degrade.

And if you've never run into trouble in IE then I would question just how much you try to do, really. Try to do interactive menus with just XHTML+CSS - no JavaScript - in IE. It is SUPPOSED to work by standards that have been out for years - and it does work in Firefox, Opera, and Safari. Not IE. That's just one example. Simple columns is no big deal.

Anyone who defends IE is delusional IMHO. Microsoft themselves disagrees and won't defend IE6, they openly criticize it and have stated, again, repeatedly, that IE6 is a bad browser with too many security flaws and lacking standards support. They're even pushing IE7 out as a *critital* update to all Automatic Update users, because they feel replacing IE6 is vital for usability and security.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who says IE is a decent tool is full of shit and not worth taking seriously.
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