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dariusk From: dariusk Date: June 30th, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Please don't take this as "Darius poops on Zoner's LJ day"... but isn't that a bit, um, objectifying? (Also, the subtitle plays into the whole "nerd girl takes off glasses, changes wardrobe, conforms to normative standards of beauty and omg is now sexy" cliche. Granted, it could also just mean "get 'em naked and yowza," in which case, see first sentence.)
z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: June 30th, 2008 05:39 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Gracious. Which side of whose bed did you wake up on this morning?
dariusk From: dariusk Date: June 30th, 2008 05:43 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Honestly, I wish I knew. I've been in "I am a raging prick" mode for the last 4 or 5 days.

...yet I still stand by my comments.
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: June 30th, 2008 05:51 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
What's wrong with sex and enjoying it? I don't think it is objectifying to say someone is a sex god/goddess. I rather think of it as a compliment. I'd rather have a lover who would be happy to be considered a sex goddess than someone who would be offended by it.

I think the image is also poking fun at social stereotypes like "Guys don't make passes at girls who wear glasses" and such. The stereotype that woman have to 'conform for normative standards of beauty' to be attractive and sexy, which is hogwash. I think you read WAY too much into the subtitle, I don't see how it is saying they need to conform to normative standards - I think that your interpreting it that way says more about how you define 'sex goddess' as someone who has to conform thusly. Rather I think it is saying that that definition is wrong and that women do not need to conform to be a sex goddess.

Of course, this all ties into seeing a sex goddess as a *good* thing - which I do. I don't think being a sex goddess implies anything else about the woman, and sex is a fact of life, and an enjoyable way to spend some time with someone, so I don't think of it as objectifying.

BTW, fallenpegasus picked it up from siouxiequeue - a nerd chick. ;-)

I'm also in the George Carlin school of 'fuck being PC', so that colors my view on such things as well. We spend far too much time trying to pretend we're not sexual primates by ignoring, avoiding, or burying it. Bah - The Bloodhound Gang got it right in "The Bad Touch" (aka 'Mammals' aka 'The Discovery Channel').

dariusk From: dariusk Date: June 30th, 2008 06:29 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Believe me, this has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with rhetoric. I am with you on the sex is a beautiful wonderful thing tip. I think it's great to be attracted to people, and I certainly think it's great to let people know you're attracted to them.

Now I realized when writing my original comment that the image in question could have been using a good definition of "sex goddess": in my opinion, this is someone (a woman in this case) who is sex-positive, and beautiful-however-you-define-it, and basically good, giving, and game a la Savage Love. But you know what? Even if that's the case, it doesn't matter what the original intent of the author of the image is, and it all comes down to context.

I have no problem with vanilla sex, or dirty talk, or BDSM, or ageplay, or frankly *whatever* as long as all those activities occur between consenting parties. And what is consent but the ultimate context: "We have agreed that there is a safe place for us to play, so let's get busy!" I even *like* that Velma image, and I'd probably send it to an S.O. privately because there's context between us: a context of mutual respect. (And respect is fucking sexy, IMHO the sexiest thing you can put between two bodies, so to speak.) But that's the problem with broadcast images like that: there's no context for respect.

And it's like you said: you picked up that image from someone who picked it up from a nerd chick. Probably an awesome nerd chick. That is some key context that was missing for me.

It's a weird world we live in. In the (admittedly distant) past, information was passed around within communities with a common context. But information's free to roam the world now, and by that sole fact we need to reexamine the way we handle that information. "Political correctness" as a movement was one attempt to solve this problem. It failed horribly, mostly because it attempted to change the content of information.

I have a T-shirt that I wear out in public, regularly, that says "I MAKE PASSES AT GIRLS WHO WEAR GLASSES". I made it myself. It's my favorite shirt. But you know, it would be creepy if I wore it to an elementary school. Context.
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mackys From: mackys Date: June 30th, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
but isn't that a bit, um, objectifying?

Eh, how so? It's all of Velma there, every inch. Nothing left out, nothing overempahsized (AFAICT).

Or does the mere fact that something is considered sexy make it objectifying by definition? (Man am I sick of that idea... talk about a no-win situation!)
mackys From: mackys Date: June 30th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
On second look I see she's cut off at the knees. So the foot fetishists won't be happy. Boo hoo. ;]
herwickedness From: herwickedness Date: June 30th, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I don't have glasses anymore, do I still count as a nerd chick?
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: June 30th, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
Sure. :-)
z_gryphon From: z_gryphon Date: June 30th, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)

attn all:

please get over yourselves. It's a joke motivational poster featuring a member of the cast of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?, for God's sake.
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: June 30th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)

Re: attn all:

I'm tempted to go looking for more art along these lines to post. :-)
mackys From: mackys Date: July 1st, 2008 12:04 am (UTC) (Direct Link)
Yes please! ;D
brother_buford From: brother_buford Date: June 30th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I do note that Velma fell in the category of Grade B zettai ryouiki before the term was even invented.

Still, nothing beats the Grade S of the reigning queen of zettai ryouiki, Rin Tohsaka.
pockyman From: pockyman Date: July 1st, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC) (Direct Link)
I wholeheartedly agree with this picture. ^_^